Last Son escribió:

A mi me parece una movida muy valorable de DC lo de Rebirth, ya desde DC You me gusta el rumbo que empezaron a tomar, pero Rebirth ya directamente me parece totalmente genial, traer de vuelta a nuestro Wally, a nuestro Superman, nuestro Green Arrow...

Yo también estoy esperanzado.

Es que muchachos, en este hilo no se discute la calidad o esperanza de la iniciativa... aca se habla de números, frios números, las ventas, el marco en que se dan... Y en eso, y si bien son números aceptables, no se pueden decir históricos, cuando la iniciativa new 52 en su momento barrio con toda la competencia... ahí lei en cbr que civil war 2 tiro 500 k o mas y batman 400 k o mas... cuando se sepan los números finales se puede analizar mejor el resultado.

A mi personalmente lo que me interesa es la calidad, primeramente, y si bien me preocupa un poco el tema números porque quiero que le vaya bien al comic, la verdad que no tengo ninguna influencia sobre eso. Tampoco nos olvidemos que calidad no es igual a mayores ventas, sino Transformers de Bay sería una joyita.

Ahora si, cifras del mercado yanqui:
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/34914/top-300-comics-actual-june-2016
http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/34913/top-300-graphic-novels-actual-june-2016

Datos interesantes, DC universe rebirth tiene 8000 copias que fueron contadas en este mes (de su primera edicion), y una segunda edicion en tapa dura con 40k a 6 dolares... El resto, como diria @DRA , todos numeros uno y eventos que no resisten analisis de ventas... el primer analizable,  deadpool... dios.
En cuanto a recopilatorios, 25 k para saga 6, ufffff.... pan caliente.

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8

42.24

SUPERMAN REBIRTH #1

$2.99

DC

118,434

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Vendió menos que un número normalito de Batman. La fiscalía descansa.

Vamos a ver si el #2 se sostiene en 100k. Ojalá que sí, pero qué dificil.

Me asombra lo de Civil War II, me pareció una garcha :s

Es "el evento que va a revolucionar el universo Marvel para siempre (o hasta el año que viene)", Axel Alonso y Brian Bendis son genios del marketing, definitivamente (?).

Aprovechando que conseguí el integral en francés de La Casta de los Metabarones, lo estoy leyendo en español y comparando.

Querían números? grosísimo artículo

Comic Book Resources escribió:

Rebirth, "Civil War II" Result in Highest Direct Market Sales Numbers in 20 Years

June 2016 has a record breaking total number of units for the top 300 comics. Marvel sold 4,009,721 units to stores and accounted for 47% of the top 300 comics. DC had 36.61% of the total units which equates to 3,123,138 units. The Rebirth initiative boosted DC sales to being on the lower side of twice average monthly sales for the early months of 2016. DC had 15 of the top 20 titles. The other publishers sold 1,399.117 units and accounted for the remaining 16.4% of the total units for the top 300. Neither Marvel nor DC had a record number of units in the top 300. Instead, it was a case of a rising tide seemingly benefiting everyone. DC had the largest increase in sales because of Rebirth, and the "Civil War II" event boosted sales for Marvel.
RELATED: "Civil War II" Sells Over 500K Copies in June, "Batman" Cracks 400K
Eleven series sold over 100,000 issues, accounting for 1,857,065 units. Those eleven items sold more than the bottom 3/5th of the top 300 combined. Those same eleven items also outsold the combined output of all of the publishers on the list -- other than Marvel and DC.

"Batman" #1 sold 280,360 units to retailers. Keep in mind that the first few issues of most Rebirth titles are completely returnable, thus Diamond reports the sales of those items at a reduced level to reflect potential returns. In the past, Diamond typically reported the items at 80% of the invoiced amount. So if the numbers seem a little lower than they should be on the DC Rebirth titles, it's because they probably are. Adding another 20% to account for the reducing report on "Batman" #1, and the result is around 350,450 units. Diamond potentially under-reported around 497,822 units across all of the returnable Rebirth issues from DC. The unreported returnable units would have narrowed the gap between DC and Marvel significantly and would have increased the total units for the top 300 to around 9,052,656 units.

All of the Rebirth titles which launched in June have outsold the average sales of the previous volume but only "Batman" #1 outsold the maximum issue sales for the previous volume. The previous volume of "Green Lantern" was used for comparisons for "Green Lanterns." No title was used as a comparison title for "Titans" because "Teen Titans" is relaunching as part of Rebirth and the new "Titans" series featuring a different set of characters than the New 52 volumes of "Teen Titans." Rebirth has already been a success given the 19 Rebirth issues released in June sold a total of 1,991,289 units which is more units than all of the comics published by DC in the top 300 comics list for each month of 2016 prior to June.






DC's decision to have fewer titles which are released more frequently may equate to better reader retention, but it is too early to know for sure. Only "Action Comics" and "Detective Comics" released two issues in June. "Action Comics" #958 sold 0.41% better than "Action Comics" #957. The increase of 311 units isn't much, but it is an increase. "Detective Comics" #935 dropped by 2.66% from the sales of "Detective Comics" #934 which sold 94,015 units. A drop of 2,566 units on a second issue is a drop in the bucket compared to the massive second issue drops we've seen in recent years on Marvel titles.

Speaking of Marvel, the best-selling comic of June 2016 was "Civil War II" #1 with 381,737 units, exceeding the total sold for any single issue of the original "Civil War" miniseries. "Civil War II" #2 dropped by 61.12%, or 233,334 units. While the drop is staggering, the remaining 148,403 units still more than qualifies as strong sales. Reorders accounted for over 11% of the sales for the original "Civil War" series. The colors in the chart below represent the months from May 2006 to April 2007. Each bar represents the sales of an issue of the original "Civil War" series with the first month sales are the largest portion of the bar with each month of reorder activity stacked on.






Reorders had the biggest impact on "Civil War II" #2, accounting for 25.75% of the issue's total sales. It is worth noting the original "Civil War" series only dropped by 2.66% in first month sales between the first and second issues. Obviously the 61.12% second issue drop on "Civil War II" shows a clear difference in the sales trends between now and a decade ago. We'll see in the coming months if "Civil War II" has the same recorder strength as the original "Civil War" series or not.

A number of Marvel titles increased sales by as much as 28.24% by tying into the Civil War II event. "Deadpool" #13 sold 35.87% better than the previous issue, and was a $9.99 done-in-one four issue crossover with "Daredevil" and "Power Man and Iron Fist," providing the equivalent to a full issue of each of the other two series between two issue-length Deadpool chapters. The done-in-one event was previously done by Robert Kirkman in "Invincible" #60, but this might be the first done-in-one crossover. "Invincible" #60 included a ton of other Image characters, but was essentially still an Invincible story. The "Daredevil" and "Power and Iron Fist" chapters were written and drawn by the creative teams of those other titles, and could have easily been actual issues of those titles. A subtle distinction, but one worth mentioning because the "Deadpool" issue acts as a sampler issue of the other two series. This approach is potentially a more effective cross-marketing ploy than actually crossing the story into the other titles.

"Captain America: Steve Rogers" #2 sold 66,415 units, drop 41.11% from the first issue. The issue contained a major plot point which got a lot of media coverage, so we'll probably see significant reorder activity on the issue next month.

"The Walking Dead" #155 sold 71,754 units to retailers, and was the only item in the top 50 not published by Marvel or DC. "Power Rangers: Pink" #1 launched at 39,673 units and was the second best-selling comic not published by Marvel or DC. While there were only half a dozen comics from publishers other than Marvel and DC in the top 100, is wasn't because sales from the other publishers were hurt by the Civil War II event or the Rebirth initiative. Both major companies having increased sales hopefully means more people buying comics which in turn should help all of the other publishers.

The total for the top 300 comics nearly broke 8,000,000 units in November 2006 for the first time during the final order era which started in March 2003 when Diamond first started reporting sales based on what was invoiced to stores. The next high water mark didn't happen until September 2013 when the top 300 comics sod 8,147,934 units. A little over a year later, that record was broken in October 2014 with 8,408,949 units. June 2016 broke that record with 8,531,976 units and potentially another 520,680 units for a total of what would have been a record shattering 9,052,656 units. Comics book properties are wildly accepted by the mainstream audience. The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC televisions shows mean that our non-comic book reading friends and co-workers know who many of these characters are, and they like them. Now is the time to encourage those people to check out a comic book, either in print or digitally and to expand the comic book audience. There is no good reason why the top 300 comics couldn't break ten million units in the next few years.

Fuente

Sólo Batman y WW lograron superar el máximo número de ventas que tenían.
Capi bajó casi a la mitad después de Hail Hydra.
La garcha de Civil War II es el comic más vendido de los últimos 20 años.

EL MÁS VENDIDO DE LOS ÚLTIMOS 20 AÑOS?

Lo que dije antes está confirmado...

340mil unidades fue loque más vendió como issue de Civil War (2006), durante toda la publicación de la CW.
El #1 de esta CW2 ya vendió más, sólo en junio.
Después el 2 vendió mucho menos, pero igual una barbaridad.

Terrible.

Buenísimo el logro de Marvel y Civil War II, no lo negué! Pero la verdad que sigo viendo un triunfo de DC esta vez. Al menos, como ya aclare, del Universo DC sobre el Universo Marvel.
Civil War II 1 y 2 son los únicos que vendieron bien (y el segundo baja bastante, raro al no tratarse de una serie regular) pero luego tenes recién a Deadpool vendiendo 70 y pico.
Pónganle que el mes que viene DC cae o lo que quieran, no se puede negar la palisa que le dio el "Universo DC" al "Universo Marvel" este junio.

y yo lo que veo es que esto puede seguir un poco mas porque falta la Justice League, Hal Jordan y los GLC, Suicide Squad y (bue...) Harley Quinn!

Qué cagada que la gente caiga una y otra vez en estas cosas, vamos a tener que seguir fumándonos una por año, por lo menos.

Olvidate, el modelo "seasonal" llegó para quedarse...

Igual en vez de detenernos en que DC vendió porque son números 1 porque no nos detenemos en que además están muy buenos! Eso es lo que me molesta de los comiqueros, siempre están buscando donde pegar, eternos disconformes. 
Si eran malos y vendían bien la reacción era distinta? Si eran buenos y vendían mal? 

DC primera de nuevo!

acuadro escribió:

Comic Book Resources escribió:

Rebirth, "Civil War II" Result in Highest Direct Market Sales Numbers in 20 Years

Fuente

Sólo Batman y WW lograron superar el máximo número de ventas que tenían.
Capi bajó casi a la mitad después de Hail Hydra.
La garcha de Civil War II es el comic más vendido de los últimos 20 años.

ezeguko escribió:

EL MÁS VENDIDO DE LOS ÚLTIMOS 20 AÑOS?

Lo que dije antes está confirmado...

Muy bueno el artículo @acuadro! sólo una corrección, no dice que CWII haya sido el comic más vendido de los últimos 20 años, sino que el nivel total de la revistas vendidas en comiquerías fue el más alto de los últimos 20 años (gracias a la suma de CWII y de Rebirth).

Saludos!

Es verdad, perdón. Traduje a las apuradas de una sóla leída. Por eso hay gente que estudia para eso
(#StillBetterThanOvni )

Che a los que decían que esto era cosa de 1 mes el dominio de DC por lo pronto se está extendiendo a meses!


TOP 100 COMIC BOOKS
Based on Total Unit Sales of Products Invoiced in July 2016
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QTY RANK	DOLLAR RANK	INDEX	ITEM CODE	DESCRIPTION	PRICE	VENDOR
1	2	118.11	MAY160206-M	JUSTICE LEAGUE #1	$2.99	DC
2	4	100.30	MAY160204-M	JUSTICE LEAGUE REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
3	5	100.00	MAY160234-M	BATMAN #2	$2.99	DC
4	1	99.87	APR160862-M	CIVIL WAR II #3	$4.99	MAR
5	6	95.39	MAY160236-M	BATMAN #3	$2.99	DC
6	7	72.19	MAY160216-M	NIGHTWING REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
7	3	71.63	MAY160747-M	CIVIL WAR II #4	$4.99	MAR
8	8	66.45	MAY160224-M	NEW SUPER MAN #1	$2.99	DC
9	9	64.81	MAY160218-M	NIGHTWING #1	$2.99	DC
10	10	64.35	MAY160208-M	HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
11	18	61.38	MAY160210-M	HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1	$2.99	DC
12	13	58.59	MAY160260-M	WONDER WOMAN #2	$2.99	DC
13	14	58.33	MAY160243-M	FLASH #2	$2.99	DC
14	15	57.84	MAY160258-M	TITANS #1	$2.99	DC
15	16	57.57	MAY160254-M	SUPERMAN #2	$2.99	DC
16	17	56.82	MAY160238-M	DETECTIVE COMICS #936	$2.99	DC
17	19	55.98	MAY160212-M	BATGIRL AND THE BIRDS OF PREY REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
18	21	55.11	MAY160256-M	SUPERMAN #3	$2.99	DC
19	22	54.96	MAY160244-M	FLASH #3	$2.99	DC
20	23	54.31	MAY160214-M	BATGIRL #1	$2.99	DC
21	25	53.34	MAY160262-M	WONDER WOMAN #3	$2.99	DC
22	26	52.04	MAY160240-M	DETECTIVE COMICS #937	$2.99	DC
23	11	51.30	MAY160898-M	STAR WARS #21	$3.99	MAR
24	28	50.16	MAY160222-M	RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
25	12	49.68	MAY160828-M	AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #15	$3.99	MAR
26	20	47.28	MAY160905-M	STAR WARS HAN SOLO #2	$3.99	MAR
27	30	47.06	MAY160226-M	ACTION COMICS #959	$2.99	DC
28	31	46.34	MAY160250-M	GREEN LANTERNS #2	$2.99	DC
29	32	44.44	MAY160252-M	GREEN LANTERNS #3	$2.99	DC
30	27	43.72	MAY160903-M	DARTH VADER #23	$3.99	MAR
31	35	43.33	MAY160220-M	HELLBLAZER REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
32	44	43.11	MAY160666	WALKING DEAD #156 (MR)	$2.99	IMA
33	36	42.75	MAY160228-M	ACTION COMICS #960	$2.99	DC
34	40	41.14	MAY160248-M	GREEN ARROW #3	$2.99	DC
35	41	41.13	MAY160246-M	GREEN ARROW #2	$2.99	DC
36	29	40.82	MAY160860-M	BLACK PANTHER #4	$3.99	MAR
37	24	39.99	MAY161104-M	BETTY & VERONICA #1	$3.99	ARC
38	43	39.81	MAY160230-M	AQUAMAN #2	$2.99	DC
39	45	38.60	MAY160232-M	AQUAMAN #3	$2.99	DC
40	34	36.96	MAY160810-M	CAPTAIN AMERICA STEVE ROGERS #3	$3.99	MAR
41	33	36.89	MAY160797-M	DEADPOOL AND MERCS FOR MONEY #1	$3.99	MAR
42	37	35.07	MAY160781-M	DEADPOOL #15	$3.99	MAR
43	39	35.04	MAY160826	SPIDER-MAN DEADPOOL #7	$3.99	MAR
44	46	32.59	MAY160901-M	STAR WARS POE DAMERON #4	$3.99	MAR
45	47	31.23	MAY160881-M	OLD MAN LOGAN #8	$3.99	MAR
46	48	29.77	MAY160769-M	SPIDER-MAN #6	$3.99	MAR
47	49	29.62	MAY160759-M	CIVIL WAR II AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #2	$3.99	MAR
48	50	28.13	MAY160884-M	DEADPOOL VS GAMBIT #2	$3.99	MAR
49	51	28.12	MAY160883	OLD MAN LOGAN #9	$3.99	MAR
50	53	27.92	MAY160765-M	INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #11	$3.99	MAR
51	52	27.91	MAY160894-M	STAR WARS FORCE AWAKENS ADAPTATION #2	$3.99	MAR
52	54	27.50	MAY160823-M	MIGHTY THOR #9	$3.99	MAR
53	55	27.45	MAY160877-M	EXTRAORDINARY X-MEN #12	$3.99	MAR
54	38	27.27	MAY160751-M	CIVIL WAR II KINGPIN #1	$4.99	MAR
55	57	27.12	MAY160879-M	UNCANNY X-MEN #10	$3.99	MAR
56	59	26.27	MAY160865-M	PUNISHER #3	$3.99	MAR
57	61	26.15	MAY160806-M	ALL NEW ALL DIFFERENT AVENGERS #12	$3.99	MAR
58	62	25.66	MAY160803-M	UNCANNY AVENGERS #11	$3.99	MAR
59	58	25.66	MAY160268-M	HARLEY QUINN #30	$3.99	DC
60	64	25.39	MAY160761-M	CIVIL WAR II X-MEN #2	$3.99	MAR
61	63	24.84	MAY160282-M	FLINTSTONES #1	$3.99	DC
62	65	24.28	MAY160863-M	DAREDEVIL #9	$3.99	MAR
63	67	24.21	MAY160875-M	ALL NEW X-MEN #11	$3.99	MAR
64	68	22.59	MAY160874	MOON KNIGHT #4	$3.99	MAR
65	69	22.37	APR160950-M	AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1.6	$3.99	MAR
66	56	21.78	MAY160771	ALL NEW WOLVERINE #10	$4.99	MAR
67	70	21.74	MAY160755-M	CIVIL WAR II CHOOSING SIDES #2	$3.99	MAR
68	71	20.67	MAY160834-M	GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #10	$3.99	MAR
69	90	19.98	MAY160649	PAPER GIRLS #7	$2.99	IMA
70	72	19.84	MAY160832	SPIDER-GWEN #10	$3.99	MAR
71	73	19.56	MAY160757-M	CIVIL WAR II CHOOSING SIDES #3	$3.99	MAR
72	81	19.39	MAY160544-M	SNOTGIRL #1	$2.99	IMA
73	66	19.35	MAY160873	DAREDEVIL PUNISHER #3	$4.99	MAR
74	75	18.73	MAY160868-M	GWENPOOL #4	$3.99	MAR
75	60	18.69	MAY160377-M	ROM #1	$4.99	IDW
76	76	18.26	MAY160792-M	NEW AVENGERS #13	$3.99	MAR
77	78	17.34	APR160372-M	FUTURE QUEST #2	$3.99	DC
78	79	16.65	MAY160289-M	SCOOBY APOCALYPSE #3	$3.99	DC
79	82	16.46	MAY160767	CAPTAIN AMERICA SAM WILSON #11	$3.99	MAR
80	83	16.15	MAY160794	NEW AVENGERS #14	$3.99	MAR
81	77	16.09	MAY161269-M	MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS #5	$3.99	BOO
82	85	15.99	MAY160787	MS MARVEL #9	$3.99	MAR
83	86	15.89	MAY160763-M	CIVIL WAR II GODS OF WAR #2	$3.99	MAR
84	84	15.69	MAY160291-M	FUTURE QUEST #3	$3.99	DC
85	87	15.64	MAY160796	INTERNATIONAL IRON MAN #5	$3.99	MAR
86	89	15.58	MAY160790	ULTIMATES #9	$3.99	MAR
87	88	15.54	MAY160778	TOTALLY AWESOME HULK #8	$3.99	MAR
88	74	15.50	APR168760-M	CAPTAIN AMERICA STEVE ROGERS #1	$4.99	MAR
89	92	15.23	MAY160775-M	POWER MAN AND IRON FIST #6	$3.99	MAR
90	91	15.21	MAY160779	TOTALLY AWESOME HULK #9	$3.99	MAR
91	103	15.01	MAY160808-M	THUNDERBOLTS #3	$3.99	MAR
92	93	14.57	MAY160820	BLACK WIDOW #5	$3.99	MAR
93	116	14.21	MAY160274	NEW SUICIDE SQUAD #22	$2.99	DC
94	121	13.85	APR168868-M	FLASH REBIRTH #1	$2.99	DC
95	96	13.52	MAY160819	A-FORCE #7	$3.99	MAR
96	97	13.49	MAY160786	CAPTAIN MARVEL #7	$3.99	MAR
97	122	13.49	MAY168136-M	BATMAN #1	$2.99	DC
98	105	13.41	MAY160639-M	I HATE FAIRYLAND #7 (MR)	$3.50	IMA
99	80	13.38	MAY160772-M	SQUADRON SUPREME #9	$4.99	MAR
100	98	13.06	MAY160827	SILK #10	$3.99	MAR

Me sorprende los numeros de Avengers y Nee Avengers

Es tremendo que bajaron a los Vengadores tanto, del puesto 50 para bajo! y Spider-Man en el 25!! El raton algo va a ser porque esta realidad no le debe gustar una mi*rda!

Y lo de DC es una prolijidad absoluta porque bien arriba todos los personajes insignia! la JLA! Batman! Nightwing! Hal Jordan & The Corps! Superman! WW! Flash! Green Arrow! Batgirl & las Birds of Prey! Titans! Aquaman! muy bien

Igual Avengers nunca vendió demasiado, fuera de algún evento, no?

No recuerdo cuales eran los títulos de Marvel que más se vendían pero calculo que es entre los Avengers los X-Men y Spiderman!

Hoy Spider-Man y lo que esté de moda en su momento (sea evento, algún personaje que haya tenido su película hace poco, o algún #1).

http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/35269/top-300-comics-actual-july-2016

http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/35268/top-300-graphic-novels-actual-july-2016

como los #1 y Batman venden bien siempre, ni los analizo.

Excelente que WW y Flash hayan logrado mantener el 100k! Lástima que con los #3 bajaron un toque, pero están cerca del número igual.
Superman cabeza a cabeza con Detective, también con buenos números. Y me da pena Action, que aunque no sean malos números, merecería estar mucho más arriba, me parece.

Los #1 de Marvel son el mes que viene o el otro?