[DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General

Este es el artículo que leí en Titans Tower sobre las edades, es larguísimo pero vale la pena. Igualmente hay algunos puntos grises.

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Titans Tower: Autor: Nightwing escribió:: Titans Age Theories (Pre-DCnU)
Posted by Nightwing on Jul 15, 2012 in Library, Series Indexes | 2 comments

Every once in awhile, people ask “How old is [insert Titans character] supposed to be?” So I’ve created a page that analyzes this topic. Now, comic books, as a rule, have a somewhat sliding age scale. You can only age Robin and the original sidekicks so much – because as they age, so do their mentors. Some people place the original fab five [Dick, Wally, Donna, Roy and Garth] in their late 20′s. That’s too old by my estimation.

Now, there are a few times in the comics where ages are actually mentioned. From this, we can establish a general rules of thumb to go by. I’m using the fab five as a ‘base’ to establish the ages of most of the Titans. There’s two general rules I’m going by:

Age Theory
RULE 1: THE ORIGINAL TITANS ARE ALL THE SAME AGE: This seems to hold true through their history. Also, it’s been established that Dick, Wally, Donna and Vic started college somewhere between TEEN TITANS #53 and NEW TEEN TITANS #1. By this logic, many of the 1970′s members are around the same age plus/minus a year or so.
NOTE: There’s a slight discrepancy in this, as Dick Grayson leaves for college in BATMAN, #217 (published in 1969), almost a full decade (our time!) before his Titans teammates are seen graduating and starting their college careers (in comics published in 1978). Through the early 1970s, Dick has various adventures as Robin while he attends Hudson University. He later co-stars with Batgirl in BATMAN FAMILY (in 1975), still a college student at Hudson. Dick meets Duela Dent, the Joker’s Daughter, during one of his solo adventures and invites her to become a Teen Titan, which crosses over into the brief revival of TEEN TITANS in 1976-1978. It’s during that era that Donna Troy and Wally West make comments about attending college.
In THE FLASH SPECTACULAR 1978, The Teen Titans (Robin, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Mal, and Harlequin) attend Wally West’s high-school graduation in their civilian identities. And after the TEEN TITANS is canceled, Donna Troy is seen attending college – Dr. Tammines’s School for Exceptional Girls – in San Francisco in ADVENTURE COMICS #461 (1978). This places Wally and Donna at the same age, but would appear to make Dick one year older than his Titans pals. I think this falls in the same category as “Duela Dent being too old to be Two Face’s daughter,” and other such sliding age discrepancies found in a more innocent age of comics. Since the Wolfman/Perez era, it’s always seemed as though the original Titans were all the same age, within a year or so. This is a case where overwhelming empirical data wins over Dick Grayson’s erroneously pre-mature college career. If you want to make it all work, you can assume that super-smart Dick Grayson matriculated one year ahead of his Teen Titans buddies.
At any rate, in all Post-Crisis references, Dick Grayson is shown attending college for one semester after the Teen Titans disbanded. In BATMAN #416 [1988], Nightwing recalls his hero history, detailing his evolution of being ‘fired’ by Batman, to his brief college career and time with the New Teen Titans to his graduation to Nightwing. This places him firmly at the same age as Wally and Donna and Vic, as they all started college at the same time (right before Raven forms the New Teen Titans).
RULE 2: THE LIAN HARPER RULE: This is the most effective way to establish ages. Lian Harper is established as four years old during the TITANS series [1999-2003], which takes place a little over a year ago in DC time. That makes Lian 5 years old. [This is also loosely taking into account DC's "One Year Later" event of 2006].
Now, a big deal was made when Dick Grayson turned 20 – leaving his teen years behind him. This happened when he was on Tamaran, as established in NEW TEEN TITANS (second series) #17-21 [1986]; His birthday actually happened in an issue of SECRET ORIGINS #13 [1987] featuring Nightwing. In #19, Dick says, “I’m no longer a kid. I’m twenty. Not even a teenager anymore.” In NEW TEEN TITANS (second series) #20-21 [1986], Roy Harper learns Lian is his daughter; she is a newborn at this time. So the math is simple – the original Titans were in/approaching their 20th year when Lian was born. So they are 25 now.
Now, you will find discrepancies in this theory – but most printed evidence supports the above theories. Majority rules. Wally West is established as 23 years old during FLASH #0 [1994]. That seems about right. Donna Troy states she is 23 years old in TITANS #5 [1999]; again, that seems about right. This places Wally as a few months older than Donna – maybe even almost a year older. Now, that seems like a lot of adventures have taken place between ZERO HOUR and TECHNIS IMPERITIVE. But that’s comics for ya.
Some things must be ignored. The DC Secret Files timelines contradict each other – ignore those for the most part. And Wally West stated he was 26 years old during the Geoff Johns/Scott Kolins run on FLASH. That’s a little too old by my estimation. So please don’t e-mail me with those kind of nits; If you have strong evidence concerning other characters, please let me know.
All my ‘age theories’ are supported by Teen Titans #1/2, published in 2004. In that issue, there are flashback sequences that chronicle Titans history. Flash to 10 years ago: Dick Grayson’s parents die. Flash to 6 years ago: Rose Wilson is schooled at home by her mother, Lili. Flash to 5 years ago: Ravager I is killed. Flash to 3 years ago: Slade is forced to kill Jericho. Flash to 2 years ago: Cadmus attempts to clone Superman. Flash to 18 months ago: Rose deals with the death of her mother. Flash to one week ago: Bart Allen is shot by Slade. If you track the ages to this timeline, it all lines up, more or less.
All age theories have been updated to include DC’s “One Year Later” event in 2006. Following the events of the limited series crossover, Infinite Crisis, every DC comic series jumped ahead by one year between February 2006 and March 2006. With DC’s March books [including TEEN TITANS #34], the characters’ histories resume “one year later.”
OK, here’s the rundown as I see it:
Dick Grayson [Nightwing]
Age: 25
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Donna Troy [Troia]
Age: 25
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Wally West [Flash]
Age: 25
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Roy Harper [Arsenal]
Age: 25
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Garth [Tempest]
Age: 28
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; But there is an addendum. Garth spent “many months” in another dimension training with Atlan while mere seconds pass (established in Showcase ’96 #1 [1996]). In AQUAMAN #20 [1994]: Garth returns from spending many months in Atlan’s dimension. Aquaman mentions, “Garth! [...] You look older.” Garth replies, “Three or four years to be exact, as time flows here.”
Lilith Clay [Omen]
Age: Would have been 25 now.
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She appears to be the same age as the original five.
Hank Hall [Hawk]
Age: Would have been 25 now.
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He appears to be the same age as the original five.
Don Hall [Dove]
Age: Would have been 25 now; Died at age 19 during Crisis.
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He appears to be the same age as the original five.
Mal Duncan [Herald]
Age: 25/26
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He appears to be the same age as the original five. Mal and Karen always somehow SEEM older, since they have these careers and have settled into marriage life so young. You could make an argument that they are a year or so older.
Duela Dent [Harlequin]
Age: Would have been 25 now.
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She is the same age as Dick Grayson, since they were both freshmen at Hudson University in BATMAN FAMILY #19 and DETECTIVE COMICS #482-483.
Karen Beecher [Bumblebee]
Age: 25/26
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She appears to be the same age as the original five. Mal and Karen always somehow SEEM older, since they have these careers and have settled into marriage life so young. You could make an argument that they are a year or so older.
Bette Kane [Flamebird]
Age: 23
Rationale: I’m placing Bette a couple years younger than Dick Grayson, since she was such an airheaded groupie in the beginning. I’ll attribute that to immaturity. She also appears a bit younger the way the team looked down on her for years.
Charley Parker [Golden Eagle]
Age: 24
Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He is established as 16 years old when he was introduced in JUSTICE LEAGUE #116 [1975]; He appears to be around the same age as the original Titans; I’m placing him a bit younger since, in 1975, the original fab 5 Titans would be in the senior year of high school, aged 17 to Charley’s 16.
Gar Logan [Beast Boy]
Age: 20
Rationale: Gar’s been established as 19 years old when TEEN TITANS #1 [2003] began. Now, Gar was always a few years younger than the original 5 Titans. During NEW TEEN TITANS, he was 16 years old to the other’s being 19 years old. This places a three year difference between them. By all rights, Gar would be about 22 now – but he’s a victim of the ‘sliding age comic book rule’. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Gar is currently 20 years old.
If you choose to ignore Gar’s “de-aging”, he’s always 3 years younger than the original five, placing him at 22 years old.
Vic Stone [Cyborg]
Age: 25
Rationale: Cyborg is established as the same age as Donna, Dick and Wally. They all started college the same year [right before NEW TEEN TITANS #1]. In NEW TEEN TITANS #20, the Titans celebrate Vic’s birthday and Donna says. “So you’re nineteen. Welcome to the club.”
Kory [Starfire]
Age: 24
Rationale: Close in age to the original five Titans, Kory seemed just a tad younger. I place her one year younger than them.
Raven
Age: 17
Rationale: The original Raven summoned the New Teen Titans shortly after her 18th birthday, which placed her at the same age as Kory [TALES OF THE TEEN TITANS (mini series) #2 [1982]: Raven mentions when she turned 18, she sensed Trigon’s evil and sought out the Titans.]. So she would have been 24 years old now. But Raven was reborn in the 2003 TEEN TITANS series. And Cassie Sandsmark remarked Raven looked “barely older than me” in TEEN TITANS [third series] #8 [2004]. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Raven is currently 17 years old.
Arella
Age: 37 when she died
Rationale: She ran away from home when she was 17 years old [as told in TEEN TITANS [third series] #8]. When the New Teen Titans formed, Raven was 18 so Arella was 35 years old. Add a couple of years to get to the Titans Hunt phase, when she died.
Terry Long
Age: 32 when he died
Rationale: In NEW TEEN TITANS #20, Terry Long mentions he’s 29 years old – he’s exactly 10 years older than Donna. He died in WONDER WOMAN #121 [1997].
Robert Long
Age: 3 when he died
Rationale: Robert was born in TEAM TITANS #3 [1992]. He was established as 3 years old in GREEN LANTERN #82 a few years later. Now, this would age Robert too rapidly for a comic book timeline; I’ll attribute that to the rapid-godhood-aging that perhaps began before the Titans of Myth halted it. He died in WONDER WOMAN #121 [1997].
Tara Markov [Terra I]
Age: 16 when she died
Rationale: Terra joined the Titans when she was 15 years old – and celebrated her 16th birthday in NEW TEEN TITANS #34.
Joe Wilson [Jericho]
Age: 23
Rationale: Joe Wilson was described by Marv Wolfman as 17 years old [in a profile published in TTalk in 1984] when he was introduced. At that time, Dick and Donna were 19 years old, which means Joey is 2 years younger than the original Titans.
Frances Kane [Magenta]
Age: 25
Rationale: She’s the same age as Wally.
Kole Weathers
Age: 18 when she died
Rationale: Kole states she is “At least eighteen now” in NEW TEEN TITANS #10 [1985].
Azrael
Age: ??
Rationale: He’s of alien origin – he could be 5 years old or 5,000 for all we know.
Chris King [Dial H]
Age: 22/23
Rationale: He was 14 when he received the dial. He had just entered his first year of college when he met the Titans in NEW TEEN TITANS #45-46 [1988]. So he is definitely 2-3 years younger than the original Titans. Plus, he is in college still now, so he must be college age, or thereabouts.
Danny Chase
Age: 14 when he died
Rationale: Danny Chase was 13 years old when introduced in NEW TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #3 [1988]. He died in NEW TITANS #84 [1992].
Pantha
Age: 24 when she died
Rationale: Total guess. When in doubt, I’ll place them the same age as the original Titans, unless evidence suggests otherwise. Pantha doesn’t even know how old she is.
Leonid Kovar [Red Star]
Age: 25
Rationale: He appears to the same age of the original Titans when he first met them way back in TEEN TITANS #18.
Baby Wildebeest
Age: 3 when he died
Rationale: A year younger than Lian Harper seems just about right. And his toddler status in TITANS #20 seems to support this.
Miri Delgado [Mirage]
Age: 22
Rationale: Miri was about 18 years old when the TEAM TITANS series was published. Since then, she’s gone through a pregnancy and birth. Placing TOTAL CHAOS and those events 4 years ago seems about right.
Tara Markov [Terra II]
Age: Would have been 20 now.
Rationale: She was 16 when the TEAM TITANS series was published; She was an exact doppelganger for Terra I, who was 16 when she died. Placing TOTAL CHAOS and those events 4 years ago seems about right. Plus, that now puts her the same age as Gar – seems perfect. And, even if she’s Terra I, she’d be 20 now anyway [again, same age as Gar].
Charlie Watkins [Killowat]
Age: 15/16 when he was erased
Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18.
Carrie Levine [Redwing]
Age: 15/16 when she was erased
Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18. Carrie and Jon Levine joined the resistence when they were about 15 years old, as established in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]
Jon Levine [Prestor Jon]
Age: 15/16 when he was erased
Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18. Carrie and Jon Levine joined the resistence when they were about 15 years old, as established in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]
Dagon [Nightrider]
Age: 14 when he was erased
Rationale: He is established as 14 years old in his origin story in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]. Vampires don’t age. Seems young, given his appearance; Maybe supernatural powers make you appear more buff.
Battalion
Age: ??
Rationale: Really hard to hazard a guess. The weathered soldier could be anywhere between 30 and 50 years old.
Bart Allen [Kid Flash]
Age: 16 [chronologically only 3 years]
Rationale: Bart Allen has perhaps the most confusing age-establishing challenge. Bart is chronologically only 3 years old since his age has been hyperaccelerated. He is established as stabalizing at 14 years old when he came to the past in FLASH #92-93. That was around the time of ZERO HOUR – the same time Wally is established as 23 years old. Later, in SECRET ORIGINS 80-PAGE GIANT #1 [1998], Bart states: “When I was one, I looked three. When I was two, I looked twelve.” When asked how old he is now, he says: “Three. Fifteen. Depends.”
Since then, Bart was hyper-aged in INFINITE CRISIS #7 [2006]. In FLASH: THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE #1 [2006], Bart establishes he aged 4 years during his time jump; He was 20 years old during his brief stint as the Flash. This also means Bart was 16 years old when he was a member of Teen Titans. When he is resurrected from the lightning rod in LEGION OF 3 WORLDS #3-5 [2008-2009], he returns as a teenager again. Now, technically, Bart should be tracking the same age as Cassie Sandsmark, since they both debuted around the same time, both 14 years old. But because of Bart’s Crisis-related aging-de-aging, he “missed” the “One Year Later”, putting him one year behind Cassie when he was resurrected.
Grant Emerson [Damage]
Age: 18
Rationale: He was established as 16 years old when his DAMAGE series began. Damage is decribed as: “Damage is 16-year-old high school student Grant Emerson, who suddenly discovered he was a superhuman with incredible explosive powers.” I placed about two years between DAMAGE #1 and now. Plus, he’s close in age to Argent.
Kyle Rayner [Green Lantern]
Age: 23
Rationale: I place Kyle as two years younger than the original Titans. When Kyle dated Donna, Donna mentioned she was a little older than him. There is a discrepancy in an issue of GREEN LANTERN where Kyle attends his 10 year high school reunion [which would place him at 27 years old].
Linda Danvers [Supergirl]
Age: 21
Rationale: She was in college through the run of her series.
Minion
Age: 15
Rationale: I don’t think his age was ever established, but seemed much younger than the other Titans.
Rose Wilson
Age: 17
Rationale: She was established as 14 years old in DEATHSTROKE ANNUAL #4 [1995] – right when she joined the Titans after her mother died. Everything else in that time period is ‘about two-and-a-half years ago’. In TEEN TITANS #1/2, we are told Rose’s mother’s death was 18 months ago. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Rose is currently 17 years old.
Ray Palmer [Atom]
Age: 17 when he was a Titan
Rationale: It was stated he was de-aged to 17 years old after ZERO HOUR. in TEEN TITANS [second series] #1 [1996] he says he’s 17 years old. He’s now back to his proper age – in his mid-30s.
Toni Monetti [Argent]
Age: 18
Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H’San Natall seeds were conceived the same day. It seems reasonable to place Atom’s Teen Titans team as happening about two years ago.
Cody Driscoll [Risk]
Age: 18
Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H’San Natall seeds were conceived the same day. It seems reasonable to place Atom’s Teen Titans team as happening about two years ago.
Isaiah Crockett [Joto]
Age: 18
Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H’San Natall seeds were conceived the same day. It seems reasonable to place Atom’s Teen Titans team as happening about two years ago.
Prysm
Age: 18
Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H’San Natall seeds were conceived the same day. It seems reasonable to place Atom’s Teen Titans team as happening about two years ago.
Fringe
Age: 18
Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H’San Natall seeds were conceived the same day. It seems reasonable to place Atom’s Teen Titans team as happening about two years ago.
Freddie Freeman [Captain Marvel Jr.]
Age: 15/16
Ratonale: Just a guess. I don’t really follow this character. He’s younger than Billy Batson, who is about 17, I believe.
Jesse Quick
Age: 27
Rationale: She’s definitely a little older than the original Titans. She was already out of college and working on her thesis when she was introduced in the early 1990′s. She runs her own company.
‘Hero’ Cruz
Age: 17/18
Rationale: Just a guess. All the Ravers seemed about the same age as Superboy – which was 16.
Ryuko Orsono [Bushido]
Age: 17/18 when he died
Rationale: Just a guess. He seems younger than Gar, but old enough to assume a lot of responsibility for the Bushido legacy.
Cerdian
Age: Under a year when he died
Rationale: Garth’s son Cerdian is born in AQUAMAN #63 [2000]. Cerdian was a newborn during the run of TITANS. Dolphin and Cerdian perished during the INFINITE CRISIS, as revealed in TITANS #15 [2009].
Tim Drake [Robin]
Age: 17
Rationale: Tim assumed the Robin mantle when he was 13. That was shortly before Titans Hunt, which I place at about 4 years ago. Tim celebrated his 16th birthday in an issue of ROBIN just prior to he start of the 2003 TEEN TITANS series. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Robin is currently 17 years old.
Kon-El [Superboy]
Age: 16 [chronologically only 2-3 years old]
Rationale: It was established that Kon was frozen at the age of 16 during practically the whole run of SUPERBOY and YOUNG JUSTICE. Kon was ‘created’ from scratch after the ‘death’ of Superman, so he was chronologically only 2-3 years old. Superboy aged normally after the events of SINS OF YOUTH [1999]. He died in INFINITE CRISIS and was later resurrected in LEGION OF 3 WORLDS #4-5 [2008-2009].
Cassie Sandsmark [Wonder Girl]
Age: 17
Rationale: Cassie was established as 14 years old when introduced in the pages of Wonder Woman #105 [1996]. It is mentioned that Cassie is ‘barely 16′ in the DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY mini-series #3 [2005]. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Cassie is currently 17 years old.
Mia Dearden [Speedy]
Age: 18
Rationale: Judd Winick stated she was 17 years old in an interview. Also, in GREEN ARROW #47 [2005], Roy Harper states Mia is 17 years old. Add a year for DC’s “One Year Later” event [TEEN TITANS #34] and Speedy is currently 18 years old.
Lorena Marquez [Aquagirl]
Age: 17/18
Rationale: Lorena’s age has not been officially stated, but that seems like an accurate estimation.
Eddie Bloomberg [Kid Devil]
Age: 17
Rationale: Eddie ‘Gopher’ Bloomberg first appeared in BLUE DEVIL in 1984, where he was established as 11 or 12 years old. Since the original Titans were 19 at that time, it places those events at ‘six years ago.’ So Eddie would be about 17 years old now. In TEEN TITANS #42 [2006], Eddie states he is 17 years old.
M’gann M’orzz [Miss Martian]
Age: 15 or 16 (?)
Rationale: no evidence yet. Just a guess.
Kar Zor-El [Supergirl]
Age: 17
Rationale: In a recent BRAVE & THE BOLD, Green Lantern states repeatedly that Supergirl is 17 years old.
Jaime Reyes [Blue Beetle]
Age: 16
Rationale: Keith Giffen confirms Jaime is 16 years old in BLUE BEETLE #1: “Beginning with “Blue Beetle,” our new hero, Jaime Reyes, is different than many comic book teenagers. “He’s not being bullied. He’s not the outcast. He’s just the archetypical sixteen year old kid,” Giffen told CBR News.”

Age Index
TEEN TITANS #1 [1966]: I think it’s been established they were 14 when the team gathered; This puts the first incarnation of the team through their high-school years, which makes sense.
BATMAN #217 [1969]: Dick Grayson leaves Wayne Manor for college at Hudson University.
BATMAN #416 [1988]: Revised Post-Crisis history; Nightwing recalls his hero history, detailing his evolution of being ‘fired’ by Batman, to his brief college career and time with the New Teen Titans to his graduation to Nightwing. This places him firmly at the same age as Wally and Donna and Vic, as they all started college at the same time (right before Raven forms the New Teen Titans).
BATMAN FAMILY #1-19, DETECTIVE COMICS #482-483 [1975-1978]: Dick Grayson attends Hudson University while having solo adventures as Robin.
BATMAN FAMILY #19, DETECTIVE COMICS #482-483 [1975-1978]: Duela Dent is seen attending Hudson University.
TEEN TITANS #53 [first series] and NEW TEEN TITANS #1 [1978-1980]: Dick, Donna, Wally and Vic start college. That places them at 18 years old.
THE FLASH SPECTACULAR 1978 [1978]: The Teen Titans (Robin, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, Speedy, Mal, and Harlequin) attend Wally West’s high-school graduation in their civilian identities.
ADVENTURE COMICS #461 [1978]: With the second disbanding of the Teen Titans, Donna Troy and Sharon Tracy moved to San Francisco, where Donna enrolled in Dr. Tammines’s School for Exceptional Girls, an experimental college which proved to be merely a front for the activities of Justice League nemesis Headmaster Mind.
NEW TEEN TITANS #20 [1981]: the Titans celebrate Vic’s 19th birthday and Donna says. “So you’re nineteen. Welcome to the club.”
TALES OF THE TEEN TITANS (mini series) #2 [1982]: Raven’s origin; Raven mentions when she turned 18, she sensed Trigon’s evil and sought out the Titans.
NEW TEEN TITANS #34 [1983]: Terra celebrates her 16th birthday
TALES OF THE TEEN TITANS #50 [1984]: Donna and Terry wed. Donna has stated she was married at the age of 19.
NEW TEEN TITANS #10 [1985]: Kole states she is “At least eighteen now”
NEW TEEN TITANS #18-19 [1986]: Batman wishes Nightwing a happy birthday. In #19, Dick says, “I’m no longer a kid. I’m twenty. Not even a teenager anymore.”
NEW TEEN TITANS #20-21 [1986]: Roy Harper locates a newborn Lian Harper
SECRET ORIGINS #13 [1987]: Secret Origin of Nightwing; Dick celebrates his 20th birthday. “It’s a surprise party for my twentieth birthday,” Nightwing says.
FLASH #1 [1987]: Flash celebrates his 20th birthday with the Titans and his girlfriend, Frances Kane.
NEW TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #3 [1988]: Danny Chase introduced and established as 13 years old.
TEAM TITANS #3 [1992]: Donna’s son, Robert Long born
FLASH #92-93 [1994]: Bart Allen is rapidly aged to 14 years old.
FLASH #0 [1994]: Wally West states he is 23 years old.
AQUAMAN #20 [1994]: Garth returns from spending many months in Atlan’s dimension. Aquaman mentions, “Garth! [...] You look older.” Garth replies, “Three or four years to be exact, as time flows here.”
DAMAGE #1 [1994]: Damage is decribed as: “Damage is 16-year-old high school student Grant Emerson, who suddenly discovered he was a superhuman with incredible explosive powers.”
DEATHSTROKE ANNUAL #4 [1995]: Rose Wilson is established as 14 years old.
WONDER WOMAN #105 [1996]: Cassie Sandmark is established as 14 years old.
SHOWCASE ’96 #1 and TEMPEST #1-4 [1996]: Garth spends “many months” training with Atlan in another dimension while mere seconds pass
TEEN TITANS [second series] #1 [1996]: Argent, Risk, Joto, and Prysm all celebrate their 16th birthdays on the same day.
TITANS #5 [1999]: Donna tells Roy she is 23 years old.
TITANS series [1999-2003]: Lian Harper is established as 4 years old
AQUAMAN #63 [2000]: Garth’s son, Cerdian is born
TEEN TITANS [third series] [2003]: Beast Boy is established at 19 years old.
TEEN TITANS [third series] #8 [2004]: Cassie Sandsmark remarks Raven looks “barely older than me”
TEEN TITANS #1/2 [2004]: The flashback panels totally sync up with my age theories; Flash to 10 years ago: Dick Grayson’s parents die. Flash to 6 years ago: Rose Wilson is schooled at home by her mother, Lili. Flash to 5 years ago: Ravager I is killed. Flash to 3 years ago: Slade is forced to kill Jericho. Flash to 2 years ago: Cadmus attempts to clone Superman. Flash to 18 months ago: Rose deals with the death of her mother. Flash to one week ago: Bart Allen is shot by Slade.
GREEN ARROW #47 [2005]: Roy Harper states Mia Dearden is 17 years old.
DC SPECIAL: THE RETURN OF DONNA TROY #3 [2005]: Donna mentioned that Cassie Sandsmark is ‘barely 16′ years old.
TEEN TITANS [third series] #34 [2006]: Following the events of the limited series crossover, Infinite Crisis, every DC comic series jumped ahead by one year between February 2006 and March 2006. With DC’s March books [including TEEN TITANS #34], the characters’ histories resume “one year later.”
FLASH: THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE #1 [2006]: Bart establishes that he has aged four years during the Infinite Crisis, plus “one year later”, making him 20 years old.
TEEN TITANS [third series] #42 [2006]: Kid Devil states he is 17 years old.
LEGION OF 3 WORLDS #3-5 [2008-2009]: Bart Allen and Conner Kent are brought back to life. Bart is a teenager again.

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Le pregunto a alguno, se acuerdan cerca de infinite crisis, cuando en el vol. 3 de los Teen Titans se enfrentan de nuevo con Brother Blood? Donde se hablaba del por qué del retorno de los muertos usando a Kid Eternity como excusa? Eso después quedó en la nada con Blackest Night no?

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Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Vie 12 Sep 2014 - 9:59

Kyle_Rayner escribió:: Le pregunto a alguno, se acuerdan cerca de infinite crisis, cuando en el vol. 3 de los Teen Titans se enfrentan de nuevo con Brother Blood? Donde se hablaba del por qué del retorno de los muertos usando a Kid Eternity como excusa? Eso después quedó en la nada con Blackest Night no?

De paso dejo la portadas variant del nro 2:

SELFIE VARIANT

VARIANT de CAMERON STEWART

Yo releí esa saguita recientemente y me dió la impresión que, si bien no parece relacionada la historia con Blackest Night, la explicación es la misma: alguien dejó abierta la puerta para que los muertos volvieran... en los Teen Titans, es Brother Blood usando a Kid Eternity (y su particular habilidad) quien se aprovecha de lo "liviana" que es esa puerta; es Blackest Night es Nekron quien asegura ser quien manipula esa puerta y la hace vaivén (pero con avatar de la Muerte, Black Lanterns y todo el espectro de las emociones dando vueltas)

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Vie 12 Sep 2014 - 16:57

Me encanta el arte de cameron peeo esa portada es muy fea, supongo que magia no puede hacer con esos diseños tan horribles, la portada selfie es aun mas fea.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Dom 14 Sep 2014 - 10:37

Una pregunta que tiene nada que ver con el tema, pero me parece que puede ser un buen lugar para que me la respondan. ¿La novela gráfica "Nuevos Titanes: Juegos" forma parte de alguna colección? Por ejemplo, "Asombroso Spider-Man: Negocios de familia" forma parte de las Marvel OGN.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Dom 14 Sep 2014 - 21:45

ImOctavius escribió:: Una pregunta que tiene nada que ver con el tema, pero me parece que puede ser un buen lugar para que me la respondan. ¿La novela gráfica "Nuevos Titanes: Juegos" forma parte de alguna colección? Por ejemplo, "Asombroso Spider-Man: Negocios de familia" forma parte de las Marvel OGN.

Hasta donde sé, no hubo otra GN de similar formato o tamaño... Games era una historia que había empezado a desarrollar a fines de los '80 Wolfman y Perez, y por diversos motivos que no recuerdo, lo abandonaron; unos años después (2003 o 2004) reflotó la idea (e incluso se volvió a poner fecha de salida) pero se volvió a caer; hasta que lo editaron en el 2011 (creo que en el mismo mes que arrancó The New 52... o por ahí)

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Dom 14 Sep 2014 - 23:38

Van a editar a fin de año supuestamente una nueva novela grafica de los titanes pero del universo tierra 1 no es lo mismo pero es algo, creo estaba Lemire metido en eso, y alguien en psico habia posteado una imagen, en la portada aparecian cyborg, beastboy, jericho y creo que starfire.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 6:45

KnightWing escribió:

ImOctavius escribió:: Una pregunta que tiene nada que ver con el tema, pero me parece que puede ser un buen lugar para que me la respondan. ¿La novela gráfica "Nuevos Titanes: Juegos" forma parte de alguna colección? Por ejemplo, "Asombroso Spider-Man: Negocios de familia" forma parte de las Marvel OGN.

Hasta donde sé, no hubo otra GN de similar formato o tamaño... Games era una historia que había empezado a desarrollar a fines de los '80 Wolfman y Perez, y por diversos motivos que no recuerdo, lo abandonaron; unos años después (2003 o 2004) reflotó la idea (e incluso se volvió a poner fecha de salida) pero se volvió a caer; hasta que lo editaron en el 2011 (creo que en el mismo mes que arrancó The New 52... o por ahí)

Genial. Voy a ver si la puedo encontrar en algún lado.

¡Gracias por responder!

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 6:46

Booster escribió:: Van a editar a fin de año supuestamente una nueva novela grafica de los titanes pero del universo tierra 1 no es lo mismo pero es algo, creo estaba Lemire metido en eso, y alguien en psico habia posteado una imagen, en la portada aparecian cyborg, beastboy, jericho y creo que starfire.

¿Esta? http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/teen-titans-a-celebraton-of-50-years

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 8:28

ImOctavius escribió:

KnightWing escribió:

ImOctavius escribió:: Una pregunta que tiene nada que ver con el tema, pero me parece que puede ser un buen lugar para que me la respondan. ¿La novela gráfica "Nuevos Titanes: Juegos" forma parte de alguna colección? Por ejemplo, "Asombroso Spider-Man: Negocios de familia" forma parte de las Marvel OGN.

Hasta donde sé, no hubo otra GN de similar formato o tamaño... Games era una historia que había empezado a desarrollar a fines de los '80 Wolfman y Perez, y por diversos motivos que no recuerdo, lo abandonaron; unos años después (2003 o 2004) reflotó la idea (e incluso se volvió a poner fecha de salida) pero se volvió a caer; hasta que lo editaron en el 2011 (creo que en el mismo mes que arrancó The New 52... o por ahí)

Genial. Voy a ver si la puedo encontrar en algún lado.

¡Gracias por responder!

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ImOctavius escribió:

Booster escribió:: Van a editar a fin de año supuestamente una nueva novela grafica de los titanes pero del universo tierra 1 no es lo mismo pero es algo, creo estaba Lemire metido en eso, y alguien en psico habia posteado una imagen, en la portada aparecian cyborg, beastboy, jericho y creo que starfire.

¿Esta? http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/teen-titans-a-celebraton-of-50-years

Esa es la conmemorativa, la que se refiere Booster es esta:

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Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 9:36

Sería del mismo "Earth One" que Superman y Batman?
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Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 10:23

acuadro escribió:: Sería del mismo "Earth One" que Superman y Batman?

Exacto! En el mismo universo.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Lun 15 Sep 2014 - 23:25

creo que querian sacar el tierra uno de WW. Y el año que viene se espera el tomo 3 de Superman y el 2 de Batman

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Mar 16 Sep 2014 - 9:34

Elevarma escribió:: creo que querian sacar el tierra uno de WW. Y el año que viene se espera el tomo 3 de Superman y el 2 de Batman

Sí, el de Morrison pero me parece que está muy entretenido con Multiversity.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 17 Sep 2014 - 12:57

Ya se toma un descanso Rocafort?!?!?!

TEEN TITANS #5
Written by WILL PFEIFER
Art by SCOTT HEPBURN
Cover by KENNETH ROCAFORT
Variant cover by DARWYN COOKE
On sale DECEMBER 17 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
Retailers: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
As a deadly new drug hits the streets of New York City, the Titans take on a new team member!

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Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Mar 30 Sep 2014 - 17:09

Leí en nro 2 de la serie, y la verdad que si lo de Lobdell era cualquiera, ya directamente perdieron la identidad los titanes.

Destacado el arte de Rocafort y la historia centrandose en Beast Boy y Bunker. Momento especial Beast boy morpheando en "grumpy cat" jaja

Spoiler:

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 1 Oct 2014 - 0:04

Rocafort dibuja muy bien, y me gusto como dibujo a beastboy convertido en diferentes animales, pero no creo que sea el dibujante correcto para la serie, me parece que le quedaba mejor red hood.

Ahora que Cliff Chiang anda desocupado podrían darle la serie a el, hace rostros limpios y joviales, lo haría muy bien con los titanes, eso si, a esos diseños de trajes no los salva ni george perez en su mejor momento.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 1 Oct 2014 - 9:13

Booster escribió:: Rocafort dibuja muy bien, y me gusto como dibujo a beastboy convertido en diferentes animales, pero no creo que sea el dibujante correcto para la serie, me parece que le quedaba mejor red hood.

Ahora que Cliff Chiang anda desocupado podrían darle la serie a el, hace rostros limpios y joviales, lo haría muy bien con los titanes, eso si, a esos diseños de trajes no los salva ni george perez en su mejor momento.

Vos sabes que opino igual....salvo por lo de Chiang, para mí lo tienen que poner a Barrows de nuevo.

Si agarrara Chiang haría un tono similar al de la serie Teen Titans Year One de Karl Kerschl que para mi es demasiado cartoon.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 1 Oct 2014 - 13:36

Acabo de ver que DC publicó recientemente un tpb con los primeros 8 nros de la etapa de Perez y Wolfman, con un "Volume One" en la tapa que da la pauta que van a seguir sacando tps de esa etapa (más este año que es el 50 aniversario). Lástima que aparentemente no incluye el insert de la DC presents nro 26.

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Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 1 Oct 2014 - 18:16

Kyle_Rayner escribió:: Acabo de ver que DC publicó recientemente un tpb con los primeros 8 nros de la etapa de Perez y Wolfman, con un "Volume One" en la tapa que da la pauta que van a seguir sacando tps de esa etapa (más este año que es el 50 aniversario). Lástima que aparentemente no incluye el insert de la DC presents nro 26.

Flojo eso.
Planeta sí sacó ese número, pero no sé si reprodujeron algún TPb yanqui o fue una decisión gallega.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Miér 1 Oct 2014 - 23:26

Kyle_Rayner escribió:: Acabo de ver que DC publicó recientemente un tpb con los primeros 8 nros de la etapa de Perez y Wolfman, con un "Volume One" en la tapa que da la pauta que van a seguir sacando tps de esa etapa (más este año que es el 50 aniversario). Lástima que aparentemente no incluye el insert de la DC presents nro 26.

Que lindo ese tpb, se puede traer eso o tb es para amargarse con la aduana?

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Jue 2 Oct 2014 - 0:00

Son muy recomendables los omnibus tambien, tengo los 2 primeros y me encantaron

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Jue 2 Oct 2014 - 8:00

corrigan escribió:: Son muy recomendables los omnibus tambien, tengo los 2 primeros y me encantaron

Totalmente, yo tengo los 3 volúmenes, pero son muy molestos para leer porque como dije antes no se abren 180 grados como los de MARVEL.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Jue 2 Oct 2014 - 12:12

Booster escribió:

Kyle_Rayner escribió:: Acabo de ver que DC publicó recientemente un tpb con los primeros 8 nros de la etapa de Perez y Wolfman, con un "Volume One" en la tapa que da la pauta que van a seguir sacando tps de esa etapa (más este año que es el 50 aniversario). Lástima que aparentemente no incluye el insert de la DC presents nro 26.

Que lindo ese tpb, se puede traer eso o tb es para amargarse con la aduana?

En la despcricion de Amazon dice que contiene lo de DC presents, aunque lo sacaron de la venta ellos por algun error (no dice cual error y los vendedores particulares lo tienen)
Lo que me da miedo de esta edicion es que el segundo tomo recien lo anuncian para abril, y son de 8 numeros nada mas, se hubiesen jugado a sacar tipo Lucifer o Preacher de a 15-16 numeros por tomo.

Tema: Re: [DC Comics] Teen Titans: Discusión General Jue 2 Oct 2014 - 12:17

sorco2003 escribió:

Booster escribió:

Kyle_Rayner escribió:: Acabo de ver que DC publicó recientemente un tpb con los primeros 8 nros de la etapa de Perez y Wolfman, con un "Volume One" en la tapa que da la pauta que van a seguir sacando tps de esa etapa (más este año que es el 50 aniversario). Lástima que aparentemente no incluye el insert de la DC presents nro 26.

Que lindo ese tpb, se puede traer eso o tb es para amargarse con la aduana?

En la despcricion de Amazon dice que contiene lo de DC presents, aunque lo sacaron de la venta ellos por algun error (no dice cual error y los vendedores particulares lo tienen)
Lo que me da miedo de esta edicion es que el segundo tomo recien lo anuncian para abril, y son de 8 numeros nada mas, se hubiesen jugado a sacar tipo Lucifer o Preacher de a 15-16 numeros por tomo.

Es que para eso están los Omnibus.
Esto es más que nada por si queres tener esta etapa en formato económico, al menos para decir que tenes el inicio y después saltas a los tomo tipo terra incognito y judas contract.

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